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Tag Archives: morality

Cyber-debate

Posted on May 12, 2014 by Zsombor
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On May 8 we were to discuss the issue of genetically modified organisms (GMOs), but due to low attendance, our conversation shifted to something equally exciting. Fanni and I started a debate on Facebook after she’d posted an article about Neil Harbisson, “the world’s first cyborg artist”.

This weird-looking gentleman was born colorblind. At the beginning of the 2000s, he began a project with Adam Montandon, which later became the “Eyeborg” project. They developed a “head-mounted sensor that translates colour frequences into sound frequences”. (Wikipedia) Today, after a series of events, Neil has a camera implanted into his skull that enables him to hear colors, thus overcoming the problem of colorblindness.

“I’m dressed in C major” says Neil in his rather funny and refreshing 10-minute TED presentation. It is definitely worth watching.


Although we couldn’t recall what our debate was originally about, we managed to raise a short but interesting discussion by reading out a few quotes. There were funny ones, such as “Now if I have problems perceiving a color I don’t know who to go to – an opthamologist, a neurologist, or a computer programmer.” But he went further than that with somewhat radical thoughts, which became the basis of our discussion. “Technology is made by humans so if we modify our body with human creations we become more human.” This statement could entail a day-long debate.

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One of the teams is working hard to put together their story.

In the end we divided the group into two teams, put down words on slips of paper, then both teams had to roll the Story Cubes to tell their stories, using all the words. We had great fun again. Sick minds always save the night.

We have two meetings left until the summer break. Next time we’ll be discussing the issue of computers in education, that is, can computers replace teachers in the long run? If you like the topic or want to try out the tasty grilled chicken, join us next week, and don’t forget to spread the word.

Posted in Previously On Take Five | Tagged account, club, colorblindness, cyborg, hipster, meeting, morality, music, Neil Harbisson, session, Take Five, TED talks | Leave a reply

Least Wanted

Posted on April 30, 2014 by Zsombor
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TAKE FIVE is a place of ambivalence, setting the conflicting aims of raising hard-hitting issues in hopes of inciting heated debates, and at the same time providing an opportunity to chill out at the end of a grueling day playing one of our hilarious games. A bittersweet combination served along with sizzling grilled chicken and steaming tea, just to make the substantial topics easier to swallow.

In the past month our discussions have revolved around crimes, but not ordinary ones – acts that are unlawful from the perspective of jurisdiction, but far not so clear-cut when it comes to common sense.

Juvenile Crime – April 10th

Imagine the unfortunate case of a 10-year-old who finds a loaded pistol at home, and, having watched a few action movies instead of bedtime reading, he sets off to school armed just to show off. Things, however, go off the rail when he encounters his most hated teacher of all down the corridor, and, for some reason, he decides to put an end to the matter by simply pulling the trigger.

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Among the flood of questions there are a few to highlight. What happens to the child? He has commited a premeditated crime, but was he fully aware of the consequences? Should he be admitted to a correctional institution or put behind bars? Is a reformatory enough to “fix” his mind? How can we be sure he would not pull the triger again once released?

We concluded that under no circumstances should children be imprisoned. The only feasible way is higher quality correctional facilities, and what’s even more important, children’s seamless reintegration into society should be ensured in the first place.

Copyright Matters – April 24th

“You wouldn’t steal a car. You wouldn’t steal a handbag…” You may remember the short anti-piracy ad before movies on DVDs. Those forty seconds convey the explicit message that stealing a car is no different at all from downloading a movie from the net. This is a logical nonsense in itself. When a car gets stolen, it is no longer there. When a movie is downloaded, however, the source file remains intact – we make a copy.

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That’s where the problem of copyrights begin, as it is rather difficult to decide whether an author actually suffers a financial loss in case his work goes viral on the net without its users paying for it. Think of aspiring musicians who use Internet as a diving board into success! Besides discussing personal aspects in groups of two, and clarifying the current related laws in Hungary, we focused more on the above-mentioned approach.

I myself made attempts to challenge every point that supports piracy, but to no avail. It appears that all of the relevant industries somehow benefit from illegal downloads. Many people download a game only to try it out before finally purchasing it. Similarly, if someone falls in love with a song or performer, chances are that he will end up at a concert. Cinemas don’t seem to have run out of viewers either.

“Don’t make people pay for music, says Amanda Palmer: Let them.”

When we were arranging for the Copyright Matters discussion, Nóra posted a TED Talk which I promised her to watch. I must admit that this presentation has been one of my most cathartic TED experiences. Once you watch it, you will understand why. (English and Hungarian subtitles are available.)


Special thanks go to Zoli for helping us as a professional to put together the questions and provide background information for the copyright topic.

Posted in Previously On Take Five, Through My Eyes | Tagged account, Alibi, books, club, copyright, juvenile crime, meeting, morality, music, piracy, session, Take Five, TED talks | Leave a reply

The Moral Debate

Posted on November 14, 2013 by Zsombor
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Two weeks ago we dived into the rather intangible world of morals and ethics. Starting this year children in first and fifth grade have a new mandatory class in their timetables, which is either “erkölcstan” (moral and ethical education) or “hittan” (religious education) based on the parents’ choice. The core question was:

Should we teach/talk about morals EXPLICITLY, within the frames of a separate class, or rather IMPLICITLY, through other already existing subjects like history and literature?

Our way to the final debate was fairly adventurous. First and foremost, we clarified the meaning of three words that were crucial for the discourse: morals, ethics and etiquette. In groups of two, we tried to define and compare these words.

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Secondly, we raised a moral dilemma: On a long-distance trip, the bus driver offers you a half-price ticket with no receipt. Would you accept it? The question divided the group. While some were in support of the supposedly underpaid bus drivers, others opposed the idea saying that one day the entire bus will want to pay the reduced price, which would definitely lead to bankruptcy in the long run.

We subsequently shared a few personal stories of extraordinary classes we had in pri-mary or secondary school, such as teambuilding, self-knowledge, or etiquette.

Eventually came the debate show. The members formed two groups: FOR and AGAINST explicit moral education. Although the for team, consisting of only three people, was rather an “in-between” team, we had quite an overheated debate. Here’s a short excerpt:

Cons: There should not be any kind of separate classes for explicit moral education, as kids can develop the necessary skills and sensitivity better through, for instance, cathartic experiences upon reading a novel.

Pros: What if the children are not mature enough to grasp the deeper messages of a written text by themselves?

Cons: We should improve their reading skills rather than compensating with an additional class to get such messages across.

The conversation went on for one and a half hours. In the end, the two groups agreed that children should have a so-called “debate class” which would comprise nothing but contro-versial topics with no definite “right” or “wrong” answers – a class that already exists in some parts of the world, for example in the US.

For the upcoming topics, check out our schedule or visit our Facebook page where you can find and join the latest event.

Posted in Previously On Take Five | Tagged account, child-rearing, childhood, club, ethics, experience, family, meeting, morality, morals, religion, Take Five, upbringing | Leave a reply

The Frosted Glass and Beyond

Posted on October 5, 2013 by Zsombor
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was the title for our season opening, referring to the foggy windows of Hungary’s brand new national tobacco shops. In brief: the government decided to centralize tobacco sales. As a result, you will no longer find cigarettes at grocery stores, supermarkets or news-stands. Only licensed “tobacconists” between the walls of specially designed stores are allowed to sell any kinds of tobacco products. Some (or all?) of the official reasons are: preventing the young from smoking and cutting down on tobacco trafficking.

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For some, nothing has changed, and this might be the most senseless topic to talk about. But for others, the whole process of distributing the licenses, and the – more or less – well-functioning stores have raised questions.

“Where there are questions, there are take-fivers” as the saying goes… er… or something like that. Anyway, we collected the most exciting approches to the matter which the ever-enthusiastic group of visitors covered with dignity. We discussed the following (straight from the event description):

  • What do you think of the new stores?
  • Do you agree with all the aspects of the big change?
  • Is it a fight against illegal tobacco sales? Is it about preventing the young from smo-king? Or is it just political jiggery-pokery?

Apart from certain differences of opinion, we all agreed that this whole change is far from the romantic story of saving the poor youngsters from the devilish cigarettes. Although it wasn’t too much of a riddle to come to that conclusion, it was interesting to hear every-one’s thoughts and even some personal stories.

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In the end, we played amusing games. If you want to take your share of the amusement, join us next week! Follow our Facebook page, so that you can easily find our events and stay up-to-date.

Just one more thing… If a club meeting begins at 6:00 pm, some people have the feeling that it is perfectly fine to be 20 minutes late, while the rest of us are just waiting, since we wouldn’t like anyone to miss a minute of the interesting conversation. We did a triple blind test with eyes wide open and noticed that if we shift the session to 6:30, people from the previously mentioned group will arrive at 6:50, accordingly. Therefore, the triumvirate of organizers have decided to reset the time of sessions to the original 6:00 pm. We promise not to make such mistakes in the future. God save the Queen!

Posted in Previously On Take Five | Tagged account, childhood, cigarettes, club, experience, first, meeting, morality, national tobacco shops, opening, session, Take Five, tobacco | Leave a reply

Dear Take-Fivers…

Posted on September 17, 2013 by Zsombor
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Dear Take-Fivers,

It’s been two months since we last met. The vacation was a bit long, but now we are ready to reopen the gates. You’ve been faithful fans, and I hope this will remain so. I’m writing to you to express my gratitude and to fill you in on some important things.

There are a few changes to the course of the club. From now on, we will meet only every second week. The reason is quite simple: we never had the time to prepare for a topic thoroughly. We were always in a rush and didn’t let the topics really unfold. We aim to bring only hard issues to the clubroom in the future that are truly worth chewing on. An elevated conversation is just as important as improving our language skills.

A bit of appetizer: cultural coexistence, policemen in schools, teaching ethics in elementary school, genderless newborns. And the list doesn’t end here. Each topic will be presented to you one week before the club meeting, so you will have enough time to check out the related material and organize your thoughts.

The other new thing is that we start at 6:30. We noticed that at least half of the people could never arrive on time because of school or work.

For those who couldn’t make it to the last session, here’s a brief recap. Originally, the topic was “urban legends”. My plan was to bring some of the funniest or most astonishing stories from all around the world. After gathering at the gallery, we all hit the road and marched down to Deák square to find an outdoor bar. We sat around a table, and the session quickly turned into a fantastic night out with a couple of beers, chit-chat and lots of laughter.

On the left: my hat from Rome snatched by Nóra

On the left: my hat from Rome snatched by Nóra

I hope that the TAKE FIVE club has always been a way to escape from the troubles of everyday life, and that you will visit us with the same enthusiasm as before. If so, I’m looking forward to seeing you next Thursday, and don’t hesitate to drag your great friends along. Also, we would gladly take your suggestions on how to make the club better.

Regards,
Zsombor
The Founding Father

Posted in Announcement | Tagged account, advertisement, child-rearing, childhood, club, experience, first, language, meeting, morality, opening, session, Take Five | Leave a reply

Top of the World

Posted on June 29, 2013 by Zsombor
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This Thursday we had the great honor to welcome Krisztina Szalay, our beloved literature teacher from ELTE. She mingled with the youth so perfectly that if we posted a transcript of the session using first names, nobody would believe that she has gray hair. Upon being asked how she liked the club, she kept answering: ‘Very pleasant.’

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The Take Five Court – Front row, right: Chief Justice Fanni Petrák

Our topic was meant be thought-provoking, and it may have fulfilled that goal. However, we agreed on almost every point, so this time no heated debate could take place.

Weeks ago the media was overwhelmed with articles on the unfortunate case of Zsolt Erőss and Péter Kiss – two climbers who disappeared on their way to the summit of Mount Everest. This is not at all unusual. Climbers are ceaselessly exposed to accidents. What possibly drew the Hungarian people’s attention to this particular event is the raw fact that Zsolt Erőss, a highly experienced climber, lost no fewer than six of his companions throughout his trips. The very last one, Péter Kiss, actually left his master to return to the ground, but finally turned back to help him.

Erőss left two little kids behind who will grow up without a father because he felt he needed to go on an “ego trip” instead of settling down at the age of 45.

Two serious moral questions arise in light of his past:

  • As an experienced climber, do I have the right to drag along people who trust me blindly?
  • Do I have the right to choose the mountain over my family after a series of misfortunes? Isn’t it a dumb way of pushing my luck?

Our opinions were unanimous. Professor Szalay even pointed out how “banal and boring” the nature of this issue is.

For an elegant ending we went around the room and each person shared one story with him being in danger or having a near-death experience. We had everything from getting stuck in the center of Lake Balaton to jumping off the balcony. Not to mention climbing a fence with barbed wires to a “maximum security” property with gigantic oil silos – under the favor of the night, in a high school camp.

We took out the good old Taboo game to have some fun near the end. Join us next week when we are going to bring up an extremely controversial topic. The time has come for an overheated debate!

Posted in Previously On Take Five | Tagged account, child-rearing, climbing, experience, meeting, morality, Mount Everest, session, Take Five | Leave a reply

Religious matters

Posted on March 25, 2013 by Zsombor
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Last week we decided to raise a rather sensitive topic to find out how far we can go. Based on a thought-provoking article, we set the goal of discussing all the possible aspects of religion.

“The False Equation: Religion Equals Morality”. However obvious this message might seem, it served as a perfect debate starter. Before diving into the matter, we took a piece of wise advice from Balázs, that is, we should primarily distinguish between faith, religion and the church. We subsequently formed groups of two and started approaching the topic from numerous perspectives. Besides commenting on the article, we collected a bunch of reasonable questions.

  • What is it like to be raised on the Bible?
  • Do you attend a religious service on a regular basis?
  • If so, what does it give to you?
  • Is there a difference in terms of moral values between a religious and a non-religious person?
  • Have you ever encountered an extreme situation with regard to religion?
    (E.g. someone tried to convert you in a sly manner.)
  • Is it possible in the 21st century to live our lives following the “rules” of the scripture?

The last one was brought in by Enikő. She recommended an article about A. J. Jacobs, a man who decided to live one year of his life according to the Bible. We could even take a look at his book The Year of Living Biblically.

Although the topic was meant to be provocative, the tone of the conversations stayed moderate all along. Everybody seemed to be cautious and respectful.

In the remaining hour we continued to play Alibi.

Posted in Previously On Take Five | Tagged account, Alibi, childhood, club, experience, meeting, morality, religion, session, Take Five | Leave a reply
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